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. that probably won't happen until the spring or summer next year. the fiscal cliff, dealing with that, it's only the beginning. >> if you're sitting at home, whether you're in the middle class, upper class or searching for a job and slipping into lower class, why should you care about this and what can you do to affect change if washington so there's let political theater and more action? >> that's a major concern for members of congress. we're talking about the debt and deficit but the focus turned away from jobs. that's why i think the deal that is struck may not be if -- the cuts may not be effective immediately. maybe takes rates take a year to kick in because the economy is fragile. people who are out of a job don't want the economy to tank further. they want a job in 2013. congress has to be very careful to get a deal that actually doesn't put us back into recession. as you know, there's not a lot of confidence in congress so there's fear congress will mess it up. >> that's been the situation for a long time. people want to unfasten their seat belts on this. we'll keep a close eye on it. w
harry reid warned it will be tough to reach a deal to avoid the fiscal cliff before christmas. we all note deadline, december 31. take a look at how we're finishing the day. the dow jones industrial average up about 80 points today. it was higher, much higher than 100 points earlier today, up two-thirds of 1%. volume on the light side this afternoon. nasdaq composite picked it up. technology up better than 1%. s&p 500 also on the upswing. markets maintaining steady gains all day long. david kudlow and bob pisani and barbara from the street. welcome to all of you. what about coming off the best levels? >> hitting search-week highs. 13,245 is where we ended the night of election and waiting for it to settle out. 13,248, so we are exactly where we were when the elections closed. i think the important thing is as long as there is some indication that they are talking the markets are holding up very well. i think the concern is after a deal happens, i think we'll have it, what will happen after, that and a lot of people are worried now that austerity is coming. that's a negative for stocks
on msnbc. >>> all right, less than three weeks to go until that so-called fiscal cliff, and still no deal. but this morning, there are signs of some movement in negotiations. president obama and house speaker john boehner did speak by phone last night. that conversation came after the president offered to reduce his initial request for $1.6 trillion in new revenue to $1.4 trillion but is reportedly not backing down on raising taxes for the top 2%. boehner's spokesman said republicans are still seeking further concessions on spending cuts. >>> well, there are some new details this morning on that london nurse who took her own life after passing through a prank call at the hospital that was treating kate middleton for extreme morning sickness. jacintha saldanha's family reveals that she left a suicide note, though they haven't released details of what that note said. earlier this week, the two deejays who made the call said the tragedy has left them shattered, gutted and heartbroken. >>> now, here's your first look at this morning's "dish of scrambled politics." mitt romney wasn't the only
a fiscal cliff deal. >> i think the atmospherics are getting so much better. we've gotten out after ka bookie theater and gone to dancing the tango with those two guys. any time you start to tango, you have a chance. >> chances of getting it done now are better. i think that's what's key. >> part of that tango is republicans cracking on tax rates. that's what president obama will be talking about in michigan today. keeping the public pressure on. but the part for the administrator point of view, tyler, is what do they live john boehner so he can bring his troops along, entitlement, spending cuts, to tell their members we got a good deal. >> john, i find it curious to find that president spent as much time as he has on the road trying to drum up support for this deal. we just had an election all about this. why does not white house figure that these kinds of appearances are helpful when both sides positions are pretty well locked in already? >> because this president and this white house have concluded that public pressure is what will make republicans bargain with him and deal on his t
proposed in a fiscal cliff deal which the white house quickly rejected because it does not raise taxes on the wealthy but aims to get the money through cuts in deductions. senator jim demint denounced boehner's plan as a tax hike that will, quote, destroy american jobs and allow politicians in washington to spend even more. senate minority leader mitch mcconnell also distanced himself from the boehner plan declining to endorse it yesterday. >> we've wasted enormous amount of time here sparring back and forth in public, and it strikes me it's a good time to get serious about the proposals. so i have no other particular observation than i commend the house republican leadership for trying to move the process along and getting to a point where hopefully we can have a real discussion. >> but why is the the gop still hot on its desire to raise money through cuts and deductions rather than an actual increase in the top end tax rate? well, i think it's likely because the most ductions in states happen to be the higher blue states. in other words, the gop wants the states that largely reelecte
on a fiscal cliff deal. meanwhile, the president said he's confident republicans will cave on the tax increases. we'll discuss the fiscal cliff with our "morning joe" panel. >>> and now, mercifully, i need your help. are you with me on this one? the phrase fiscal cliff, i'm over it, time's up, date reached on the expiration, nails on the chalkboard annoying. can't we be a little more creative? this is where you come in. e-mail your alternative to the phrase "fiscal cliff," and i'll use the best one tomorrow on our show. we won't use fiscal cliff, i promise. so far, my best, budgetary bluff? yeah, the bar's been set very low. >>> up next, we'll huddle around the water cooler, where jon stewart stepped out of his comfort zone with an eminem-inspired rap for the michigan protesters. >>> well, enough with the real news. let's gather around the water cooler. and first, a little moment of silence. louis louis, who wouldn't miss a second of on-camera opportunity has been talking to the porcelain god all night. not sure why. we wish you the best, louis. see you tomorrow morning. >>> well, a d
whatever deal they reach they have to get the votes for, and that's just the beginning. this fiscal cliff deal if they reach one it's just the beginning of deal making because it's not going to solve the problem. there is going to be more talks going into 2013 on tax reform and dealing with the deficit further. >> reporter: bob cusack thank you so much for joining us. we appreciate it. >> thank you. jon: let's talk a little bit more about the pickle that house speaker john boehner is in. he's struggling to avoid going over the fiscal cliff. he's facing growing criticism from members of his own party, the speaker removing four conservative congressman from key committees, the move seen by some as a way to close ranks over a potential fiscal cliff deal with the white house. outside conservative groups are voicing their displeasure saying speaker john boehner could even lose his speakership. carl cameron joins us live in washington. so he has a lot of problems with conservatives right now, car. >> reporter: sure it's not just off the hill. some of the members on the hill. fiscal conservative
spark when it came to negotiating a deal to avoid the fiscal cliff, which is the christmas present the country needs. today we heard president obama's response to the proposal that house speaker john boehner put on the table yesterday. >> the speaker's proposal right now is still out of balance. >> of out of balance. kind of similar to what republicans said last week when the president sent over his terms. so now what? will they sit down and talk it through? well, not according to at least one senior republican aide who told cnn today, no conversations today, no e-mails, tweets, carrier pigeons. as for boehner and obama, they actually did see each other in person at the white house holiday party last night in black tie. while other lawmakers waited in line to get the photo with the president, multiple sources from both sides of the aisle tell cnn that boehner wasn't among them. so much for holiday cheer. we have this picture. we're wait fworg the day there's a fiscal cliff. there wasn't total silence in washington today. senate majority leader harry reid spoke up. but in his case,
frame necessary to reach a deal on the fiscal cliff. it's wednesday, december 12th, and this is "now." >>> joining me today, msnbc contributor and political editor and white house correspondent for the "huffington post," sam stein holding it down stag style. jane mayer from "the new yorker" is here. bbc world news america anchor and former traveling press secretary for the obama campaign jen socky. this is the speed of the fiscal cliff negotiations. blink and you just might miss exactly nothing. while talks between speaker boehner and president obama over the past three days have been shrouded in secrecy, we've learned there have been two offers put on the table. the white house sent boehner a proposal on monday calling for $1.4 trillion in tax revenue, $200 billion less than the original offer. might that seal the deal? >> the president's called for $1.4 trillion worth of revenue. that cannot pass the house or the senate. >> okay then. the speaker's office responded with a deal of its own. yesterday it included precisely the same amount of revenue from the original proposal, $800 bi
if you get a fiscal cliff deal, it will be mildly inflationary. that may actually raise rates, even if the fed keeps buying bonds. we actually need to see rates up in order to get real excited about the banks. >> that's a good point. we continue to watch facebook. flirting with 28. and apple here at $5.40. we'll see how it manages that resistance. bob pisani is on the floor with more. >> still talking about the fiscal cliff and how little reaction we'll get with the markets. up 60 points in the dow right now. there's no particular worry out there. they believe that a deal is going to happen. if you look at the vix, for example, not only are they not moving, they're not moving out of any range, but they're moving in an even tighter spread than they normally do. the relationship between vix and vix futures is squashed down. this is the deal, the republicans will agree to tax increases, and very quickly this week we'll turn to debate on what kind of spending cuts there's going to be, and dealing with entitlements. they believe a deal is coming, we'll see. i espoused this a couple of we
between president obama and speaker boehner, is it a sign that we are close to a fiscal cliff deal? i asked the senior cnn analyst, david gergen. >> this week is a crucial week to see if they can get a break through. in fact, they are willing to sit down and they did it in private, and instead of the political theater we have seen in the last few weeks i think that's encouraging. there's even a bigger long-term issue, and that is whether the kind of agreement they can reach now will lead to a grand bargain, or whether it's going to amount to a mouse instead of an elephant. we will have to see what they can craft this week and see if they can get passed the fiscal cliff. the bargain is really important, too. in some ways, don, what is at stake is whether they can craft a deal is that win/win. each side can walk away with something in the short term saying this is encouraging. this is a moment, don, when a lot of things are hanging in the balance. having them sit down today is encouraging because it means they don't want to take us all the way to the 11th hour and 59th minute. they want
thing to the fiscal cliff deal? a deal i'm pretty sure is pretty bad whatever it is. not enough. >> but every little bit helps and here's the point. you know, the post office defaulted twice in the last couple of months, erin. august, defaulted $5.5 billion the first time. congress did nothing, fiddled. happened in september. overall last year, they lost $15.9 billion. something's got to be done. do they kick the can to the next year? >> thanks so much, john. >>> talking about default, they default and nobody cares. some day we'll care and going to hurt. >>> next, 22 days if the fiscal cliff and the president's taking the plan on the road but a guest says mr. obama, you are overplaying your hand. >>> and a radio prank blamed for a suicide. the two deejays behind the hoax speak out for the first time. with a deadline. and you...rent from national. because only national lets you choose any car in the aisle... and go. you can even take a full-size or above, and still pay the mid-size price. this is awesome. [ male announcer ] yes, it is, business pro. yes, it is. go national. go li
. >>> welcome back to "hardball." there was a hint of movement on the fiscal cliff deal between president obama and speaker boehner yesterday. here's where things stand for now. the white house sent over a proposal that lowered the revenue target for the president obama from $1.6 trillion to $1.6 trillion. he also increased spending cuts to $600 billion. so you have three things he's moving on there. speaker boehner was not impressed sending over his original offer of $800 billion in revenue. by the way that was the number last summer, summer of '11. acknowledged there's a long way to go. let's listen to him. >> i remain the most optimistic person in this town, but we've got some serious differences. the president and i had a pretty frank conversation about just how far apart we are. >> and in an interview with barbara walters, the president held firm and said time is running out. >> taxes are going to go up one way or the other. and i think the key is to make sure that taxes go up on the high end individuals like you and me, barbara. we can afford it. it is entirely possible for us to come up
for the programs that are important for millions of americans to continue, they have to be part of the fiscal cliff deal because it's unlikely that house republicans would allow these to appear freestanding. using these as leverage in terms of negotiation. house republicans could sleep fine knowing the payroll tax cut is not extended and the ui is not extended. they think that's too much spending. >> which is crazy because they're arguing for the top earners really putting their stake in the ground on top earners and when it comes to working class and poor tax cuts are a bad thing. >> the payroll tax cut there's a division between democrats about how much you want to raid the social security trust fund. but unemployment insurance, i think absolutely has to be part of the deal from the white house perspective aside from it fitting the democrat ex-ideology, it's also what president obama believes is a stimulus to the economy. >> yeah. >> that helps people have disposable income to go to restaurants, buy gas, buy food, to pay things for their children. and i would be very surprised if it ended up as p
is live in washington. nice to see you. new polls. what do americans want to see in a fiscal cliff deal? >> the polls are at these num, the big sticking points, should taxes be raised on those making over $250,000 a taxes would be raised if there's no deal to avert the fiscal cliff. yesterday as you said, the president was in northern virginia meeting with a middle class family who would suffer if there was no deal. last week the president went to suburban philadelphia, to a small business again to make the point of his side in these fiscal cliff negotiations. different than a year and a half ago when the president dealt only with republicans in congress. this time he is taking the case to americans and getting outside of washington, d.c. congressional republicans not so happy that the president is doing this. >> we understand that. paul steinhauser live in washington, thank you. >>> let's talk more about the fiscal cliff. we have the washington correspondent for the new yorker and cnn contributor ryan lizza with us. john boehner and the president in a room, just the two of them. good i
a call after both traded fiscal cliff proposals. neither sealed a deal, so we're now 20 days away from almost $500 billion this automatic tax hikes and spending cuts. i sound like a broken record. along with the potential for a new recession. shannon travis is following the deal make. do we know what was in the proposals? >> we're getting details in drips and drabs. the white house has offered according to a source telling cnn to basically revise their revenue target. p president obama originally proposed $1.6 trillion in new revenue. he wants to raise the tax rates on the wealthiest americans. now we're being told that he's revised that number down to $1.4 trillion. that's obviously a difference of $200 billion. a democratic aide also telling cnn, i'll read the quote, that offer was coupled with a serious spending cut number with real entitlement reform. so that's from the white house side. on the counterproposal from the republicans, we don't have a lot of details on that, but from boehner's office, republicans are basically awaiting spending cut specifics from the white house. meanw
a fiscal cliff deal. >>> what makes a person black? my new documentary sparks conversation about the color of your skin and how it defines who you are. who is black in america? >>> you may start feeling less pain at the pump. gas prices are crashing and how long will it last? just ahead. >>> a mexican american singer, a superstar, dies in a plane crash. now her fans in mourning. we'll have details, straight ahead. >>> a packed two hours for you. new york mayor cory booker will join us. and poet journalist, angela davis will join us as well. gold medal olympic gymnast gabby douglas has written a new book. and judy chu is with us, and the macks join us, and singer adam lambert. monday, december 10th. and "starting point" begins right now. >>> wow, that's an ominous little graphic right there. yes that is because the fiscal cliff is what we're talking about this morning. that's the starting point. president obama and the house speaker speaking face to face for the first time in more than three weeks. the two men who stand between millions of americans and the fiscal cliff sat down, had a conv
. >> the race toward the fiscal cliff without a deal in sight. we are hours away from the november jobs report. peter doocy is live in washington with more. hi, peter. >> today's unemployment effort will be the first since super storm sandy hit the east. any jobs that were lost economists are expecting a lousy report as a result of the storm. but regardless of what the number is, we are still one day closer to the fiscal cliff. even though speaker of the house john boehner's office says the lines of communication on both sides are open we know one thing is not being discussed by democrats and that one thing is extending the busheir raw tax cuts for top earners. >> oo i am not going to sign any package that prevents the top to go up but i am going to get something that is good for this fm lay and good for the american economy. >> in the senate mitch mcconnell proposed a vote on the part of the president's proposal that would allow the white house and not congress to control on its own without their input. but majority leader harry reid said that is not. >> if the president's proposal is made in
in the eye and actually had a conversation. now that's a really big deal when it comes to the fiscal cliff crisis. because in just 22 days americans face severe tax hikes and spending cuts unless these two leaders can find a way to compromise. now neither side would discuss specifics about their conversation. but after yesterday's white house meeting, a spokesman for the president said "the lines of communication remain open." now that may be music to the ears of former white house chief of staff erskine bowles, one half of the bowles-simpson reduction duo. >> they started a tango now. you know, any time you got two guys in there tangoing, you have a chance to get it done. >> brianna keilar is live now from washington. we don't have a lot of details about what went on in that meeting. maybe if they're both not talking, that may be a good thing. >> that's right. in fact, we have almost absolutely no details. the things that really interesting, though, to observers here is the statement that came out from the white house and from the speaker's office. they're the same statement verbatim. the
start." while we wait to see if washington can hammer out a deal to avoid going over the fiscal cliff, plans are under way in case they do not. agencies including the ones that regulate our food are looking at their bottom lines. emily schmitt reports that has some families wondering what the cuts could mean to them. >> reporter: preparing for the holidays at paul and tressa's house is a reminder of something else just around the corner, a fiscal cliff deadline that is personal here. >> i just can't imagine funding being cut at this point. it would be tragic. >> reporter: she is worried mandatory budget cuts would hurt food safety inspection. that mattered to her since her twins were born in 1999. >> she was in the hospital for two weeks, luke for three. >> reporter: she and her babies got list teara poisoning from meat she ate while pregnant. contaminated food sickens about 48 million people a year, 3,000 people die. so the fda and the usda's food safety and inspection service are charged with protecting the food supply. an 8.2% budget cut translates to a combined 157 million dollars
on lawmakers as they try to hammer out a deal on the fiscal cliff before the holiday recess. >>> new details on a navy s.e.a.l. who died during a daring mission in afghanistan. >>> plus, a fireball over texas, and more dogs behind the wheel. good morning, even. i'm lynn berry. there is a renewed sense urgency in washington as house members returned to town today with just 21 days left to avert that so-called fiscal cliff, and if the framework for an agreement isn't reached by the end of the week, lawmakers could be spending christmas in d.c. tracie potts has those good morning. >>> the president sitting down with john boehner, the staff sitting behind closed door, but today republican members come back to capitol hill and boehner may have a problem. >> all these members are going to come back to town, and they're going to want to play a role in these negotiations. >> the house is back today. that means conservative republicans who insist the wealthy keep this year's tax breaks could put the squeeze on their own party. that's the one thing president obama refuses to bend on. otherwise he says
in a different way. and women would have already brokered that deal on the fiscal cliff. >> i think, if we were in charge of the senate, and of the administration, that we would have a budget deal by now. >> reporter: do you all believe that? >> yes, without a doubt. >> yes. >> and what i find, with all due deference to our male colleagues, that women's style tend to be more collaborative. >> i think by nature we are less confrontational and more collaborative. and having us in the room and, i think, you know, all of us, not only do we want to work in a bipartisan way, we do it. >> i want you to know that soon, you'll see the whole interview with the powerhouse women of the senate. they are here to take action. and you have to see what they're going to be saying. >>> and now, we turn to that showdown raging in the heartland of the united states. perhaps no place in america more closely associated with unions than the state of michigan. and today, thousands of union workers descended on the capital to protest a new law they believe could be an ominous signal for unions and worker paychecks every
some sort of fiscal cliff deal together. ayman, you've been tweeting this morning already about some characterizations about the discussions between the speaker and the president in recent days. >> that's right. a republican source told nbc news that the conversation that the president and speaker had on the phone yesterday, lasted for only 15 minutes, and they described it as, quote, tense, unquote. and that may have something to do with the fact that the president lowered his request in his latest proposal to the house republicans from $1.6 trillion in new tax revenues to $1.4 trillion. clearly as you can see here, the republicans don't think that's enough. they want the president to come out publicly now with some specific spending cuts. now, there's some question whether or not behind the scenes the president has offered significant spending cuts. the president says yes, the house republicans say no. they say the democrats have taken so much off the table that all that's left there is the varnish. there's clearly a gloomy assessment here in washington, carl. >> ayman, we'll be co
street journal report." i'm maria bartiromo. tick tock, the clock is running out on the fiscal cliff. i will talk to the former cabinet secretary who says going over the fiscal cliff is better than getting a bad deal. >>> the auto industry is back. what it is doing right even in a soft economy. we will find out what is driving profitability. >>> and curtains up on the billion dollar women who made the lion roar. my conversation with julie taymor. >> it's made 4 to $6 billion no no one complained about it. >> >> "wall street journal report" begins right now. >> this is america's number one financial news program "wall street journal report." no now, maria bartiromo. >> here's a look at what is making news. some surprisingly good news about america's economy. the labor department says 146,000 new jobs were created in november. much better than economists' expectations. the unemployment rate drop theed 2/10 of a percent now at 7.7%. the best number since december of twachlt the labor department says superstorm sandy had little affect on those numbers. >>> the markets continue their familia
john boehner trying to negotiate a deal to keep the u.s. from going over the so-called fiscal cliff. house republicans meeting right now and we expect to hear from the house speaker at the top of the hour. dana bash, capitol hill, following the negotiations. how many times have i said fiscal cliff over the past couple months, i can't even, if i had a nickel for every time i'd be a wealthy man. >> we'd be able to avert the fiscal cliff. >> exactly, very good, so much more clever and quicker than i am. dana good morning. the president and the house speaker offered new proposals. what do you know about them, if anything? >> reporter: you know, they're being very, very careful, they're holding their cards close to the vest, which i think you know as a reporter is frustrating but as somebody who certainly wants to get, to see this solved, that that is a completely nonpart son thing to say. it maybe is a good sign, because both sides are being very careful not to let the cat out of the bag on some of the specifics because they don't want the process to blow up even before it really starts
. >>> meanwhile, back in washington, with just over three weeks left to make a deal on the fiscal cliff, both sides out with new statents today. and on the surface, they still sound far apart. president obama this morning saying he's going to insist on raising taxes on the wealthiest americans no matter what. >> if we're serious about reducing our deficit while still investing in things like education and research that are important to growing our economy, and if we're serious about protecting middle-class families, then we're also going to have to ask the wealthiest americans to pay higher tax rates. that's one principle i won't compromise on. >> meanwhile, on the other side of the aisle, republican senator marco rubio gave the weekly republican address today. part of his message? the tax rate should not go up on anyone including the top 2%. >> we must reform our complicated, uncertain, job-killing tax code by getting rid of unjustified loopholes. but our goal should be to generate new revenue by creating new taxpayers, not new taxes. >> joining me, author of "the escape artists: how obama's
with the fiscal cliff. this deal will only get done by president obama and john boehner making a deal. they came close in the summer of 2011. the parties are so polarized and partisans polarized this is a problem. >> i keep saying we need a presidential historian or hostage negotiator. somebody could say we've been at stalemates before, gotten over it, shut down the government in '96. tip o'neill and ronald reagan managed to solve problems and get along. listen to what john mccain said about what we need here. >> it's time now to sit across the table from one another, rather than -- in the way they did with ronald reagan and the way you get things done in washington. >> the way they did with ronald reagan and get things done in washington. you sit together and figure it out. they were at a holiday party they didn't talk to each other. they're issuing sort of statements and rebuttals and saying i'm not going to budge. >> negotiation by press release. this is not how things get done in washington and part of the problem of the growing incivility in washington. people don't work together the way th
in the fight over the fiscal cliff. a deal has to be hammered out in 26 days or all of us will be dealing with heavy-handed tax hikes and sweeping cuts. the two sides are keeping details of the discussion yesterday under wraps. thil standing their ground on tax hikes for the top 2%. >> the revenues we're putting on the table are going to come from, guess who, the rich. >> once republicans acknowledge that rates are going up for top earners, we believe that an agreement is very achievable. >> kate baldwin is live from washington, d.c. really nice to see you, kate. i know i went into this saying that we're light on details. i'm wondering if you know anything else, are we closer to an agreement. >> i think we're a long way from a deal. although it's one issue they're fighting about. politically they are still very far apart. the two men as you mentioned, the president and speaker boehner did speak for the first time yesterday, the first time in a week which i guess at this point in and of itself is significant because there isn't much talking going on outside of that. but neither side is off
. that makes no difference whatsoever. forget this fiscal cliff deal. the moral is, you raise tax rates and down goes tax revenue. look at what happened in britain. this raised the top tax rate to 50% and two-thirds of the millionaires disappeared in the next tax year. same things are happening in france. people are leaving. the top tax rate of 75%. same thing had in maryland a few years ago. new millionaires tax. they disappeared. exactly the same thing in california. >> brian: they went to pennsylvania and california. now texas. >> you avoid a high, what they consider a high tax rate. you want to take more money off them, but when you try do it, you don't get more money off them. >> brian: are you disturbed at all, 'cause i know you're a numbers guy, that it seems as though republicans from senator cork tore coburn to coal, seem to be saying, all right, just raise the rate. give the president his trophy so we can get to real cuts, would that bother you? >> yes, it would bother me because this is a spending problem. not a tax problem. if you just give in and pay the higher tax rates or
on that in a moment. >> investment banks paralyzed by the fiscal cliff. we'll find out what it will take to get deals going once again. >> we expect the president to speak on the fiscal cliff before the business roundtable. we'll bring you his comments live. citigroup cutting 11,000 jobs taking a billion dollar charge. kayla tausche has more. >> investors see this as a positive. a big move for a new ceo who is just getting his sleeves rolled up. the cuts will span across nearly all of the company's divisions but biggest slice of the pie coming from global consumer banking cutting 6,200 jobs there. the cuts are broad. nearly 2,000 jobs cut from the institutional clients group including investment banking six times the layoffs reported to take place in the securities business earlier this month. jim cramer said earlier that it feels like citigroup has been cutting jobs forever but that's because the bank has downsized by a third since peak employment in 2007. most of that cutting took place after he took the reigns. it will have 261,000 jobs once these cuts are done. the 11,000 announced today is a big
rock in new york city. >>> the effort to reach a deal on the fiscal cliff is now a two-man operation. president obama and speaker boehner. thank you. nobody else will be in the room. with 24 days before a year-end deadline, "the new york times" says boehner made the request to clear the negotiation room going forward, leaving it up to himself and the president to reach a deal to avoid automatic tax hikes and deep spending cuts. and while the two men may be negotiating privately, yesterday the president took his mess dwrooj the public, visiting a local virginia family as a part of his social media campaign. while sitting around the kitchen table, he told the family he felt optimistic. >> the message that i think we all want to send to members of congress is this is a solvable problem. the senate has already passed a bill that would make sure the middle class taxes do not go up next year by a single dime. just to be clear, i'm not going to sign any package that somehow prevents the top rate from going up for folks at the top 2%, but i do remain optimistic that we can get something done
of this fiscal cliff deal. that includes house democrats. and how do i go about doing that without totally alienating the base of my party? and i'm very curious to see what his next step is because his opening offer was essentially where he said he could only go in the debt ceiling bargains of july 2011. he said i can go to $800 billion in revenue, i can do these specific entitlement reforms. that's now his opening offer. where does he go here? >> i think, though, steve that the president of the united states and mr. lew and other democrats need to start looking at him differently. he is like an attorney that knows what his client is going to give and what his client's not going to give. we all know john boehner. john boehner's a deal maker. i didn't -- i liked him personally, but i never trusted him in congress because, you know, he liked making deals. that's what we need right now. the president can only push him so far. or he loses his caucus. and this is not about john boehner kicking and screaming. this is about him knowing what he can deliver. >> i understand that. john boehner has,
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in the fiscal cliff negotiations with now just 21 days to reach a deal. that's three weeks. today president obama returns to campaign mode, taking his fiscal cliff message to detroit. yesterday the president and speaker boehner met privately at the white house. their first face-to-face meeting since they agreed last week to clear everyone else out of the negotiating room. neither side revealed anything about the meeting that was part of the agreement. only saying that the lines of communication remain open. but yesterday another influential republican, senator bob corker from the senate banking committee, said his party should consider the president's position on raising tax rates on the wealthy. >> there is a growing group of folks that are looking at this and realizing that we don't have a lot of cards as it relates to the tax issue before year end. i mean, we have one house, that's it. the presidency and the senate's in the democrats' hands. a lot of people are putting forth a theory, and i actually think it has merit where you go ahead and give the president the 2% increase that he's ta
spending decreases if you go over the fiscal cliff than if you deal with president obama. >> greta: well, it appears to many in the city that it's politico check mate for the president. if we go over the fiscal cliff, what it means is the taxes will go up on the wealthy, the big earners. it also goes up on the middle class. i assume the middle class will look to the rawp republicans foe fact that their taxes come up so political check mate. >> i'm not so sure. president obama could avoid that very simply by putting maybe two or three to one expenditure reductions on the table for revenue increases, something like sim responsibl simpson bow. he has a formula given to him by a commission he appointed and heted that formula and presented to the republicans a program which was basically just a massive tax increase over and above the massive tax increase that's going to take place with the bush tax cuts expiring, so i don't see where there's -- he hasn't given them room to compromise. maybe if he had put his tax increases on the table and put up expenditure reductions of, you know, one and a
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